Sunday, January 07, 2007

Banned in Wingnut Land

Two comment threads on conservative blog: unSound Politics that results in me being BANNED from commenting

Comment on Entry: Turned off by condescending liberals, authored by Stefan Sharkansky

1. Lib's will never be happy unless they are running your life.
They think YOUR (sic) stupid and can not do anything with(sic)out them!
Hang around a few and listen to what they say about "other" people. If your (sic) like me, stuck in a union, just listen to them, it doesn't take long before they spout how dumb everyone else is but them.
Posted by Army Medic/Vet at January 6, 2007 08:51 AM
2. Here you go again -- blaming the spread of information on liberalism. What is it with you guys? Why are liberals such boogeymen to you? Were you all abused by liberals when you were in your impressionable years?
How is informing people of transportation choices (not telling them which to choose) an invasion of government or condescension?
Look at the last severe windstorm in Seattle. Look at the deaths due to carbon monoxide poisoning. Did anyone ever tell these folks that burning charcoal inside was a bad idea? Sure, the information is out there, but perhaps they're not newspaper readers. Perhaps they're not curious about such matters. But what would the harm have been in stipulating that such information be supplied within a utility bill, or included as part of an agreement in a rental contract?
Not everyone is as informed as the readers on this blog, so why not include useful information at every chance. If your argument is an economic one, then argue on economic terms. This idea that liberalism is to blame for all the ills in society is not only foolish, it's provably erroneous.
Posted by km at January 6, 2007 09:05 AM
3. Yeah like this will really work. Just picture a class for of teenagers who are taking this class to get their driver's license. How much you want to bet the information will go in one in and out the other. Somehow I seriously doubt that a teenager is going to say, "Oh wow I didn't know that, I think I will take the bus instead of drive my car after I get my license."
Just another waste of tax dollars in my opinion.
Posted by TrueSoldier at January 6, 2007 09:21 AM
4. Maybe municipalities shouldn't be paying dues and sending staff members (on the clock) to these organizations. Do they really add value? Or are we as taxpayers simply funding our own roadblocks.
Posted by Huh? at January 6, 2007 09:32 AM

5. I see a great idea coming from this. When Washington State liberals register Democrat to vote, they lose their driver's license. A perfect solution for Seattle's congestion and it helps with green house gases too.
Posted by Walters at January 6, 2007 09:45 AM

6. KM
Did anyone ever tell these folks that burning charcoal inside was a bad idea?
Yes they were told, on every generator and bag of charcoal. Only problem is there is failure to integrate into American Society and learn friggin' English.
...(not telling them which to choose) an invasion of government or condescension?
Have you listen to Nickels, Sims, et. al. recently? Apparently not, I am continual (sic) told I am a "bad" citizen for driving alone to work in my 15mpg truck. When you calculate time into the equation gas would have to be $30.00 a gallon for taking the bus to break even, anything less and taking the bus cost me money. About teach free market economics, liberty and personal responsibility instead of Nickel bags telling me what to do?
What liberal program has worked?LBJ's war on poverty? 40 years, 3 Trilion (sic) dollars and what has been accomplished?Social Security? Liberals ( Ronald Reagan?) long since raided the trust fund and it's now a ponsi scheme.Medicare? One of the greatist contributers to the rising cost of medicine.Liberal education? If so why can't we get enough engineers? 1/3 of the high school graduates can't read (spell, think, or punctuate),(H) how(in) the H are they going to comphrend Eigen(sic)values?What great liberal program has actually fixed the problem? (Which problem?)
What (sic) do I oppose Liberals?They oppose free speech especially political and religious. (False)They oppose the right to defend myself, my family and my home when the threat presents itself. (False)They are opposed to my keeping the product I produce. (False)They are in favor of control what I eat, how I travel, what I think, when and how and what I say. (Who is telling you you can’t go to Cuba? Republicans.)They want people who work hard, are talent(sic), and benefit society to have the same outcome in life as a lazy, maggot infested, dope smoking,(lose the comma) loser(s).
You bet I stand opposed to liberals.Read my essay.
Posted by JCM(the certified moron) at January 6, 2007 09:46 AM
7. km - You might have a point - IF - drivers' ed classes were doing a sufficiently good job of teaching teenagers to competently and safely drive (the actual point of the class after all, and far too many teenagers are not learning to be competent, safe drivers). It is not as if the classes are doing so well that they can afford lots of mission creep. (“mission creep”?)
Most teens, prior to getting their licenses, are pretty good at figuring out how to get places by means other than driving themselves. We really don't need to waste valuable class time explaining what those big things are with all the people in them (buses, trains, etc).
Posted by krm at January 6, 2007 09:50 AM

8. How is informing people of transportation choices (not telling them which to choose) an invasion of government or condescension?
It's not. It's the liberal attitude that people aren't smart enough to figure it out for themselves - and using tax dollars to explain so - is where the rub is.
Your example of people dying because they're not smart enough to know certain things could kill them is precisely the point. You want to prevent any cause and effect for anyone's actions and responsibilities, and use public dollars to do so.
This may sound heartless, and I don't care, (who would have guessed?) but whatever happened to the natural selection process and Darwinism liberals seem to love so much. If somebody isn't smart enough to take action to prevent harm to themselves, then I'm sorry.
You can't prevent each and every thing from going wrong, so stop trying to. And stop acting like you can and using government coercion to do it. (What a twit!)
Posted by jimg at January 6, 2007 09:52 AM

9. When I first moved to Seattle, I noticed this when I took the drivers license exam. Most of the questions were not about driving ability at all. They were about the drunk driving laws. I thought I was taking the wrong test.
If only the left-wing folks who actually advocate such stupid ideas started blogs, I could make fun of them too at Effin Unsound...
Posted by thehim at January 6, 2007 09:59 AM

10. It's always refreshing when someone firmly on the left like Feit begins to get it. Modern liberals are a bunch of bicycle helmet wearing, humorless scolds.
Posted by Bill Cruchon at January 6, 2007 10:08 AM

11. Keep going JCM you give me hope!
Liberal Thinking places value almost completely on INTENT. If it sounds good, seems good, makes me feel better, or quenches my econonmic, social, and environmental guilt then it has to be a better solution regardless of how much it costs or who pays. JCM points out just a few of the hundreds of examples of intent vs. outcome experiment forced on this county since 1960. (Impeach Earll Warren!)
Conservative Thinking places value only on OUTCOME. Limited resources, allocated benefit received, responsibility assigned and success(or failure) acknowledged.
This region and country could be a far better place if this was the rule of the day. (Conservatives do things because they know PRIOR to doing them what the OUTCOME is? Interesting – but very stupid.)
Posted by Cardio Guycc at January 6, 2007 10:13 AM

12. Kids in driver's ed classes PAY (frankly, their parents pay) TO BE TAUGHT HOW TO DRIVE. They don't pay to be told why they shouldn't drive. This IS obnoxious. Kudos to Feit.
Posted by Michele at January 6, 2007 10:40 AM

13. "Heather Has 2 Mommies And Both Of Them Ride The Bus." Please.
Posted by YourLifeIsMyFault at January 6, 2007 11:09 AM

14. I'm just posting this comment to show people how you really are.
You can't stand to hear an opposing voice. You CENSOR it. You can have as many excuses as you want. But in the end you are just a pro-censorship right wing asshole.
Posted by headless lucy at January 6, 2007 11:32 AM

15. Drivers around here are terrible enough. We aren't doing a good enough job educating drivers so let's focus on that and drop this religious like crusade for transit.
I hate transit; please stop forcing it down my throat. If someone forms People Against Public Transit, I want to join.
Posted by AP at January 6, 2007 11:39 AM

16. re 11: "Conservative Thinking places value only on OUTCOME. Limited resources, allocated benefit received, responsibility assigned and success(or failure) acknowledged."

OUTCOME???: You unconscionably rape limited resources, allocate un-needed benefits to the top 1/2 of 1%, shirk all responsibility for your misdeeds and mistakes, assign all responsibility for any successes to yourselves, and blame your failures (which are many) on anyone but yourselves.Posted by headless lucy at January 6, 2007 11:40 AM

17. If you are in favor of Personal Responsibility and the freedom to choose an alternate type of transportation, then you would be in favor of mass transport and teaching people how to use them.
The religious crusade is your own. What do you have against teaching kids how to use the bus system? Then they could make personal transportation decisions BEFORE they can legally drive.
Why are you against freedom?
Posted by headless lucy at January 6, 2007 11:45 AM

18. Luceee
go be to HA, Mike is missing ya....
Posted by Chris at January 6, 2007 11:46 AM

19. Don't interpret annoyance at the uber politically correct as an endorsment of your opinions and attitudes.
Many of you are equally annoying with your faith in what some right wingnut magazine pundit TOLD you to think about something.
Posted by headless lucy at January 6, 2007 12:00 PM

20. Amen!
The thing that turns me off more than anything else about the left is obnoxious know-it-all assholes like David Goldstein that continually tell us what is good for us and that government is our friend.
Government is an incredibly ineffective blunt instrument of force like a club that should only be used as a last resort and is not a good way to inspire anyone to action.
I'm frankly amazed, Feit is showing some individualism and a capacity for self-guided objective thought(what?). Look for him to be shunned soon by the real left.
Posted by Jeff B. at January 6, 2007 12:01 PM

21. krm's comment:
"Most teens, prior to getting their licenses, are pretty good at figuring out how to get places by means other than driving themselves. We really don't need to waste valuable class time explaining what those big things are with all the people in them (buses, trains, etc)."
This comment nailed why this is a waste of time-kids already know these things. Teaching about alternative transporation is appropriate in a class on the environment, urban planning, ect..
But a driver's ed class is to teach driving. End of story. This comment should have ended the discussion.
Posted by ALP at January 6, 2007 12:10 PM

22. "headless lucy" at #14, "You can't stand to hear an opposing voice. You CENSOR it. You can have as many excuses as you want. But in the end you are just a pro-censorship right wing asshole."
What in the world are you talking about? Can't you even have the decency of illustrating your argument...instead of doing what lefties so routinely do, simply name call?
Thanks for illustrating for the umpteenth time what you people are truly like. (Just wait, bonehead. It won’t take long before Stefan censors me.)
Posted by Bill Cruchon at January 6, 2007 12:12 PM

23. It's a problem because Driver's Ed is supposed to be about teaching people to drive. Simple as that. And it's clearly not working well enough already, witness:* People have no idea how to merge onto highways (hint -- coming to a full stop at the end of the on ramp is not this answer)* People have no idea what to do when coming to a streetlight when the power is out (hint -- it's like an all-way stop)* People have no idea what the left lane of the highway is for (hint -- it's not to drive at the same f'ing speed as the people in the middle and right lanes)Etc., etc., etc.
Posted by Me at January 6, 2007 12:14 PM

24. Transportation alternatives education sounds like an excellent idea. Seattle and MLKCo can fund the Find out About Rapid Transit program. F.A.R.T.counselors and their project will be deemed new, challenging, world-class by Nickels and Sims. Funding for this new project will assuredly be found in existing budgets. Heck, we can always vote for a special tax or levy to pay for necessities the F.A.R.T. program budget absorbs. Greg just did something like that by funding a new compliance officer to ensure prevailing wages are paid in building new tenements, sorry, make that housing for the "chronically homeless."
And don't forget, F.A.R.T. counselors will have to be diverse. Not a single language or sub-dialect can go ignored. We can never allow any F.A.R.T. graduate not being told in their own language or dialect the dire consequences if they jump from a moving bus while it's on the Aurora Bridge. Failure to teach such vital information to the unknowing masses would be mean-spirited and culturally insensitive.
Posted by Tyler Durden at January 6, 2007 12:15 PM

25. Oh, and I have some hard news for the Utopian Leftists that value mass transit. Autos are not going away any time soon. And in fact, no matter how hard the left tries to erase autos from our lives, they will grow in number.
How do I know this? Because technology always marches forward. As more and more Asian companies figure how to make cars better and cheaper, there will only be more options and lower prices. Cars will become like calculators, expensive and novel at first, and then so ubiquitous they are almost disposable. Wait, what about gasoline you say? Again, technology marches forward. Someone soon will come up with very useable ways to tap hydrogen, or an even better energy source. Once that happens, cars will really become ubiquitous. Imagine vehicles that are one tenth of the cost they are today to own, fuel and operate. They are coming. And sooner than you think.
Very few would not choose an automobile for the sheer convenience if it was incredibly cheap to own and operate, and technology all but guarantees that fact.
The automobile represents the freedom and American individualist spirit (like being stuck in rush hour for 90 minutes). It allows us to go where we want(eventually), when we want and to rearrange our schedules as individuals. Trains, while useful in extremely high density areas, are not preferable for most people. Whether the Utopians want to acknowledge it or not, the Puget Sound is nowhere near the density that will cause people to abandon cars, even if the Utopians use the blunt club of government to try and force people out of cars, technology will do an end-run around. (How do buses and trains prevent people from driving their cars. You are trying to force me to use a car by denying this city another transportation choice. You are the controlling idiot fascist, not me.)
Posted by Jeff B. at January 6, 2007 12:26 PM

26. headless...We know it's hard to accept that a fellow lib (Feit) was actually MAKING SENSE, but you're going to have to digest it, anyway. And we know that you believe that you and most of your leftist friends are the only ones out there who think for themselves, and that you believe that everyone else only says what they are told to believe and say. We get that you actually believe that (you just told us). But dearie, you COULD be wrong about that assumption. Just giving you some food for thought.
Posted by Misty at January 6, 2007 12:44 PM
27. Btw, headless, do you own a car?
Posted by Misty at January 6, 2007 12:47 PM
28. ..and headless (unwittingly) illustates Feit's "nagging" point amazingly well.
Posted by Misty at January 6, 2007 01:03 PM
29. lucy,
How be we also teach the real (subsidized) cost of transportation?
Are we going to teach them how government is pushing bio-diesel and at the same time banning new passenger cars and light trucks with diesel engines.
Are we going to teach them the transportation shell game, where money is allocated for "transportation" but the project pays sales taxes diverting money to the general fund.
I can see your transportation education curriculum now:Cars are bad and contribute to global warming.If you drive a car by yourself you are selfish and raping the planet, supporting big oil and terrorists.Light rail is good, and the cost over runs where necessary so the stations could have art work done by disabled minorities.Then you'd had out bus passes paid for by a new tax increase.
Posted by JCM at January 6, 2007 01:04 PM

30. Everything I say and do is done wittingly. Except for the time I wore a thong to the beach.
Posted by headless lucy at January 6, 2007 01:11 PM

31. My point is that you closed-minded wingnuts say on the one hand that the schools aren't so much as teaching kids how to balance a checkbook, but they are smart enough to figure out the bus syatem for themselves.
The bus system is relatively complex. It's no picnic finding your way back from the HOOTER's near Greenlake to my posh condo in Bellevue. I could just have easily taken my SUV --- but would that have been the socially responsible thing to do?
Posted by headless lucy at January 6, 2007 01:17 PM
32. Headless in a thong is like Nichols in a speedo.wittingly, unwittingly thats just wrong.
Posted by Huh? at January 6, 2007 01:40 PM

33. Wow, a Hooters girl that pays for her posh condo and SUV while being headless? What is your specialty then?
Posted by krm at January 6, 2007 02:12 PM

34. There's a Hooters near Greenlake?
Posted by Bill Cruchon at January 6, 2007 02:24 PM

35. Note Headless Lucy's fundamentally false assumption, that resources are limited. Resources are a function of technology. What we need today is not what we will need tomorrow. As we run out of any one resource (unlikely as most are essentially limitless) there will always be new and better technology to utilize other resources. I'm looking forward to the hydrogen economy mostly because it's going to be awfully hard for leftists to argue that we will soon run out of water. But believe you me, they will try.
Posted by Jeff B. at January 6, 2007 02:56 PM

Post a comment: So, according to the idiot above, the liberals’ basic mistake is assuming that resources are finite!!!!!!! Unbelievable… Headles Lucy

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Comment on Entry: Where all the children are above average disabled, authored by Stefan Sharkansky
1. Wow. If this isn't a fantastic example of today's Marxist class warfare, I don't know what is.
This is essentially, pick your own victim card. It doesn't even have to have any outward qualities. You just pick a card, and you automatically qualify as a minority class that can use today's politically correct multiculturalism as class warfare leverage.
Posted by Jeff B. at January 6, 2007 12:33 PM

2. Actually it is worse. The Marx quote at least addressed the substantive "ability" of a person. The proposed law suggests that a disabiluty exists based on perception.
Posted by James at January 6, 2007 12:42 PM

3. Look for more "emotional support dogs" doing their thing in the aisles of your local grocery store or an eatery near you.
Posted by Tyler Durdan at January 6, 2007 12:43 PM

4. I can hear it now: "We aren't communists, we're progressives".
Posted by Bill Cruchon at January 6, 2007 12:45 PM

5. After reading the definition, I think we may all be disabled. Where do we line up for our SSI checks?
Posted by Organization Man at January 6, 2007 01:01 PM

6. The amount of funding schools receive for special ed students exceeds that for mainstream students. This is just a money grab. However, the extra funding will certainly not benefit special ed students. It doesn't all now, and it won't if it increases. Too much of the money goes to administration and never makes it into the special ed classroom. This is just another blank check for the school districts.
Posted by katomar at January 6, 2007 01:21 PM

7. Wingnuts are always claiming to be victims. Now you are claiming that victims are victimizing you.
Look at it this way. If everyone in public school has a disability, we can easily live up to the UNFUNDED MANDATES of the humorously named, "No child left behind" initiative.
Now, that's not so dumb, is it?
Posted by headless lucy at January 6, 2007 01:23 PM

8. While as a practical matter there may be more immediately critical problems that need to be addressed with the way our State government operates (or NOT, as the case may be), I can't think of anything that has come across the net for a LONG time that better encapsulates the ultimate left-wing big-government socialist perspective than this item:
If you THINK you are ''disadvantaged'' or disabled, YOU ARE !!.. **AND**:You are entitled to ''appropriate'' COMPENSATION (to be determined no doubt by yet another massive and inefficient state bureaucracy).
I wonder how far down the radical socialist road we will get before hoi polloi wake up. It better be soon, or China and India are going to eat our lunch in goods and services AND in general academic excellence, even more than they are already doing now (some people have suggested they are already having dessert).
Isn't it ironic that at least economically China ''gets it'', and they are a country that is still nominally run by a communist government (ruthlessly authoritarian and undemocratic, but not really communist as far as most things economic anymore (but that's another thread) ). Meanwhile, there seems to be no limit to how far into left-wing deep-space orbit the starey-eyed ''progressives'' want to take this country.
And ditto what everyone said @ 1-5 above.
Posted by Methow Ken at January 6, 2007 01:27 PM

9. I guess Teddy K must have been "disabled" when he help to write and co-sponsored the "No child left behind act". Soon only the headless lucy's of the world will be left behind.
Posted by Smokie at January 6, 2007 01:30 PM

10. The Chinese are losing jobs to the Vietnamese because they work even cheaper.
Put on your thinking cap. Where will that leave China and India in 20 years.
Africa will be the last bastion of cheap-labor conservatism.
Posted by headless lucy at January 6, 2007 01:34 PM

11. Even fully-certified moon-bats like ''headless lucy'' can occasionally remind one of an omission:I'm reminded that I forgot ''victim'' in my above @ 8. So what I SHOULD have said was:
''If you THINK you are ''disadvantaged'' or disabled or a victim, YOU ARE !!..
That should just about cover everything for even the most radical leftie.
Posted by Methow Ken at January 6, 2007 01:54 PM
12. lucy at #7, "Wingnuts are always claiming to be victims."
Some examples please.
Posted by Bill Cruchon at January 6, 2007 01:58 PM

13. If this definition is approved, the biggest losers will be those who are truly disabled, as there will be less public funds available to assist them, as it will have to be distributed among more people who just think they have a disability.
Posted by Ralph N at January 6, 2007 01:58 PM

14. And lefties get mad when we accuse them of fostering a culture of dependency. I wonder where we got that idea?
Posted by Bill Cruchon at January 6, 2007 02:15 PM

15. At least Headless Lucy has a true disability.
Posted by Rey Smith at January 6, 2007 02:16 PM

16. My disability is that I am unable to find anything rational in the comments from Headless Lucy. I want immediate state protection and full benefits.
Seriously, folks like Headless Lucy always assume that the world has finite limitations. Global Warming will kill us all. We are going to run out of oil. There will be no more cheap labor, etc. That's the hallmark of the left, they don't believe in the fundamental goodness of humanity. They never want to let man use his ingenuity to solve problems, or assume that new technology will change our needs, because that would remove the false justification for more government.
Posted by Jeff B. at January 6, 2007 02:50

By this time, I had once again been BANNED from commenting. This is what happened to the last comment I tried to post:

Sound PoliticsComment Submission ErrorYour comment submission failed for the following reasons:You are not allowed to post comments.Please correct the error in the form below, then press Post to post your comment.Name:Email Address:URL:Comments:You wingnuts have your brains encased in half-baked ideology that you can neither understand nor adequately explain -- so you wingnuts start in with the namecalling.

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